{"id":36779,"date":"2026-03-11T14:40:46","date_gmt":"2026-03-11T14:40:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/transformiran.com\/sin-categorizar\/debate-en-directo-que-le-parece-iran-a-estados-unidos-e-israel-radio-dei\/"},"modified":"2026-03-24T15:07:20","modified_gmt":"2026-03-24T15:07:20","slug":"debate-en-directo-que-le-parece-iran-a-estados-unidos-e-israel-radio-dei","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/transformiran.com\/es\/redaccion\/debate-en-directo-que-le-parece-iran-a-estados-unidos-e-israel-radio-dei\/","title":{"rendered":"Debate en directo: \u00bfQu\u00e9 le parece Ir\u00e1n a Estados Unidos e Israel? Radio Dei"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">En el programa &#8220;Debate de la Semana&#8221; de Radio Dei, de Finlandia, Mari Turunen habl\u00f3 sobre la situaci\u00f3n en Ir\u00e1n con el director ejecutivo de Amnist\u00eda, Frank Johansson, y con la activista finlandesa-iran\u00ed (y consejera de Transform Iran) Baran Alizadeh. Alizadeh cuenta c\u00f3mo se alegra de que el pueblo oprimido haya recibido por fin ayuda. <\/p>\n\n<p>Hoy se discute mucho sobre la legalidad de la guerra actual y sobre si EEUU e Israel &#8220;deber\u00edan haber&#8221; atacado o no a la Rep\u00fablica Isl\u00e1mica. Alizadeh tiene una interesante opini\u00f3n al respecto, pregunt\u00e1ndose desde qu\u00e9 perspectiva se ve el asunto. El pueblo iran\u00ed ha vivido 47 a\u00f1os bajo un gobierno isl\u00e1mico ideol\u00f3gico y radical y conoce su pensamiento apocal\u00edptico.    <\/p>\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Por eso muchos creen que deber\u00eda haberse hecho algo antes. Este gobierno no es peligroso s\u00f3lo para el pueblo iran\u00ed, sino para el mundo entero. Incluso en la escuela, cuando \u00e9ramos ni\u00f1os, ten\u00edamos que hacer cola todos los d\u00edas antes de empezar las clases y desear la muerte a medio mundo, especialmente a Estados Unidos e Israel.  <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Alizadeh afirma que ser\u00eda beneficioso para todos que el gobierno actual se derrumbara. Aunque nadie celebra que se ataque a su propio pa\u00eds, derribarlo no tendr\u00eda \u00e9xito sin ayuda exterior. <\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/deiplus.fi\/debatti\/2026-debatti\/iranin-kansa-52026\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Escucha el debate completo en Radio Dei<\/a><\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"705\" height=\"470\" src=\"https:\/\/transformiran.com\/app\/uploads\/2026\/03\/viikon_debatti_baran-alizadeh_frank_johansson-705x470-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-36760\" srcset=\"https:\/\/transformiran.com\/app\/uploads\/2026\/03\/viikon_debatti_baran-alizadeh_frank_johansson-705x470-2.jpg 705w, https:\/\/transformiran.com\/app\/uploads\/2026\/03\/viikon_debatti_baran-alizadeh_frank_johansson-705x470-2-300x200.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 705px) 100vw, 705px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">\u00bfOliko Israelin ja Yhdysvaltojen isku Iraniin oikeutettu ja pit\u00e4isik\u00f6 siit\u00e4 iloita? Radio Dein Viikon debatissa keskustelivat Baran Alizadeh ja Frank Johansson. Kuva: Mari Turunen<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size\">Kun Iraniin iskettiin 28.2., osa kansasta tanssi kaduilla, osa suri julkisesti. Suomeniranilainen Baran Alizadeh on iloinen, ett\u00e4 sorrettu kansa sai vihdoin apua. Amnestyn Frank Johansson ei usko, ett\u00e4 hallintoa saadaan kaatumaan sodalla.  <\/p>\n\n<p>Joulukuusta 2025 l\u00e4htien iranilaiset ovat osoittaneet mielt\u00e4\u00e4n kaduilla. Tammikuussa tilanne eskaloitui, ja arvioiden mukaan kahden p\u00e4iv\u00e4n aikana Iranin hallinto tappoi 40 000 aseetonta mielenosoittajaa. Helmikuun lopussa Yhdysvallat ja Israel iskiv\u00e4t Iraniin. \u00bfQu\u00e9 significa esto para ti y para tu familia?   <a href=\"https:\/\/elamalehti.fi\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n<p>Radio Dein Viikon debatissa Mari Turusen vieraana Iranin tilanteesta keskustelivat Amnestyn toiminnanjohtaja <strong>Frank Johansson<\/strong> ja suomeniranilainen kansalaisaktivisti <strong>Baran Alizadeh<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Aina kun soditaan ja pommitetaan, suurimman tuhon se aikaansaa siviilien el\u00e4m\u00e4ss\u00e4.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Kun Yhdysvallat ja Israel hy\u00f6kk\u00e4siv\u00e4t Iraniin, maassa sek\u00e4 tanssittiin ett\u00e4 itkettiin kaduilla. Alizadeh sanoo, ett\u00e4 monet iranilaiset ja my\u00f6s h\u00e4n itse odottivat iskua. H\u00e4n kertoo olevansa iloinen, ett\u00e4 Iranin kansalle luvattu apu vihdoin tuli.  <\/p>\n\n<p>Johanssonin reaktio iskuihin on ollut surua, pelkoa ja suurta huolta.  <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Minulla on muutama hyv\u00e4 iranilainen yst\u00e4v\u00e4, joiden kanssa keskustelin. He olivat kovasti huolissaan perheidens\u00e4 tilanteesta. Aina kun soditaan ja pommitetaan, suurimman tuhon se aikaansaa siviilien el\u00e4m\u00e4ss\u00e4.<\/p>\n\n<p>H\u00e4n muistuttaa, ett\u00e4 on \u00e4itej\u00e4, isi\u00e4, velji\u00e4, siskoja eli tavallisia ihmisi\u00e4, jotka joutuvat k\u00e4rsim\u00e4\u00e4n sodasta, johon heill\u00e4 itsell\u00e4\u00e4n ei ole mit\u00e4\u00e4n yhteytt\u00e4.<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Mun on hirve\u00e4n vaikea iloita sodasta yht\u00e4\u00e4n miss\u00e4\u00e4n, Johansson sanoo.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Tilanteeseen olisi pit\u00e4nyt puuttua aiemmin<\/h2>\n\n<p>Reaktiot iskuihin Iranissa ovat vaihdelleet suuresti. Mari Turunen kysyy, olivatko iskut oikeutettuja. <\/p>\n\n<p>Johanssonin mukaan kansainv\u00e4lisen oikeuden asiantuntijat eri puolilla maailmaa ovat sanoneet aika yksimielisesti, ett\u00e4 iskut olivat YK:n peruskirjan vastainen laiton hy\u00f6kk\u00e4ys.<\/p>\n\n<p>Baran Alizadeh kysyy, kenen n\u00e4k\u00f6kulmasta asiaa tarkastellaan. Iranin kansa on el\u00e4nyt 47 vuotta ideologisen ja radikaalisen islamilaisen hallinnon alla ja tuntee sen apokalyptisen ajattelun. <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Siksi monet uskovat, ett\u00e4 t\u00e4h\u00e4n olisi pit\u00e4nyt puuttua jo aiemmin. T\u00e4m\u00e4 hallinto ei ole vaarallinen vain Iranin kansalle, vaan koko maailmalle. Jo koulussa lapsina meid\u00e4n piti joka p\u00e4iv\u00e4 ennen tuntien alkua seist\u00e4 riviss\u00e4 ja toivottaa kuolemaa puolelle maailmalle, erityisesti Amerikalle ja Israelille.<\/p>\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Jo koulussa lapsina meid\u00e4n piti joka p\u00e4iv\u00e4 ennen tuntien alkua seist\u00e4 riviss\u00e4 ja toivottaa kuolemaa puolelle maailmalle, erityisesti Amerikalle ja Israelille.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<p>Onko t\u00e4ss\u00e4 nyt aidosti mahdollisuus siihen, ett\u00e4 nykyhallinto kaatuu? Turunen kysyy. <\/p>\n\n<p>Johanssonin mukaan on kiist\u00e4m\u00e4t\u00f6nt\u00e4, ett\u00e4 Iranin nykyhallinto on syyllistynyt kammottaviin ihmisoikeusloukkauksiin. Amnestyn edustajana h\u00e4n on vuosikymmenten ajan saanut ja jakanut tietoa, ja j\u00e4rjest\u00f6 on my\u00f6s toiminut ja <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amnesty.fi\/vetoomukset\/iran-mielenosoitukset-2026\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">vedonnut<\/a> syytt\u00e4 pid\u00e4tettyjen puolesta. Silti h\u00e4nen mukaansa se, ett\u00e4 hy\u00f6k\u00e4t\u00e4\u00e4n toiseen maahan ja tapetaan johtaja, ei ehk\u00e4 ole kuitenkaan paras tapa saada aikaan muutosta.  <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Itse en usko, ett\u00e4 t\u00e4m\u00e4 hy\u00f6kk\u00e4ys edesauttaa hallinnon kaatumista ainakaan lyhyell\u00e4 aikav\u00e4lill\u00e4. Me ollaan n\u00e4hty historiassa erilaisia Yhdysvaltain johtamia v\u00e4liintuloja, on ne sitten Afganistanissa, Irakissa, Libyassa tai muualla. Ja lopputuloksena on l\u00e4hinn\u00e4 ollut kaaos ja sekasorto.  <\/p>\n\n<p>Johansson arvioi, ett\u00e4 on hyvin vaikeata ulkopuolelta asein vaihtaa hallitusta. H\u00e4n sanoo, ett\u00e4 kyse on siit\u00e4, miten Iranin rohkea kansa uskaltaa edelleenkin menn\u00e4 kaduille osoittamaan mielt\u00e4\u00e4n. <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Ja muiden maiden diplomaattinen tuki t\u00e4lle.<\/p>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Kuolleiden m\u00e4\u00e4r\u00e4 tulee olemaan shokki<\/h2>\n\n<p>Alizadeh sanoo, ett\u00e4 olisi kaikille etu, jos nykyhallinto kaatuisi. Vaikka kukaan ei iloitse, ett\u00e4 omaan maahan hy\u00f6k\u00e4t\u00e4\u00e4n, ilman ulkopuolista apua kaataminen ei kuitenkaan onnistu. <\/p>\n\n<p>Yhdysvaltain presidentti <strong>Donald Trump<\/strong> on toivonut, ett\u00e4 iranilaiset l\u00e4htisiv\u00e4t nyt kaatamaan hallintoa sis\u00e4lt\u00e4 k\u00e4sin. Mari Turunen kysyy, onko kansalla mink\u00e4\u00e4nlaisia mahdollisuuksia kaataa hallintoa sis\u00e4lt\u00e4 k\u00e4sin. <\/p>\n\n<p>Alizadeh muistuttaa, ett\u00e4 Iranissa ihmisill\u00e4 ei ole aseita, joilla pystyisiv\u00e4t puolustamaan itse\u00e4\u00e4n. Tietojen mukaan tammikuussa ammuttiin 40 000 ihmist\u00e4, mutta Alizadeh arvioi, ett\u00e4 luku on suurempi.  <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Todella tulee shokki, kun me huomaamme, ett\u00e4 monia ihmisi\u00e4 on ammuttu. Ihmiset eiv\u00e4t p\u00e4rj\u00e4nneet, mutta nyt kun Trump ja [Israelin presidentti Benjamin] <strong>Netanjahu<\/strong> ovat auttaneet ja monia asemia on tuhottu ja ihmisi\u00e4 my\u00f6s, totta kai tulee ihmisille semmoinen mahdollisuus, ett\u00e4 p\u00e4\u00e4sev\u00e4t kadulle, Alizadeh uskoo. <\/p>\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Vaikka kukaan ei iloitse, ett\u00e4 omaan maahan hy\u00f6k\u00e4t\u00e4\u00e4n, ilman ulkopuolista apua hallinnon kaataminen ei kuitenkaan onnistu.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Se, mit\u00e4 on tapahtunut, on kammottavan v\u00e4\u00e4rin<\/h2>\n\n<p>Kun Iranin tilanteesta saadaan monenlaista tietoa, sy\u00f6tet\u00e4\u00e4nk\u00f6 meille propagandaa ja kuka sit\u00e4 sy\u00f6tt\u00e4\u00e4? Mari Turunen kysyy.<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Ihan joka suunnasta aivan varmasti koko ajan, Johansson sanoo.<\/p>\n\n<p>H\u00e4nen mukaansa Iranin hallitus kertoo oman n\u00e4kemyksens\u00e4, maanpaossa olevat iranilaiset kertovat omansa, Yhdysvallat kertoo oman n\u00e4kemyksens\u00e4 ja my\u00f6s Israel kertoo omansa.<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Valitettavasti on niin, ett\u00e4 poliitikot sitten tarttuvat joihinkin n\u00e4ist\u00e4, pit\u00e4v\u00e4t joitain luotettavina ja toisia ep\u00e4luotettavina. T\u00e4m\u00e4 tarkoittaa sit\u00e4, ett\u00e4 valtavasti liikkuu my\u00f6s huhuja koko ajan.<\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Ja taas kerran toistan uudestaan sen, ett\u00e4 ihmisoikeusj\u00e4rjest\u00f6n\u00e4 me suhtaudutaan kaikkiin n\u00e4ihin v\u00e4itteisiin hyvin kriittisesti, ellei meill\u00e4 ole faktaa sen pohjalla, jonka perusteella me voidaan jotain sanoa, Amnestyn toiminnanjohtaja sanoo.<\/p>\n\n<p>Baran Alizadeh pit\u00e4\u00e4 faktana videoita, joita ihmiset itse l\u00e4hett\u00e4v\u00e4t pelon ja uhkaustilanteen keskelt\u00e4. Videoissa ja kuvissa on kuolleita omaisia ja valtavia m\u00e4\u00e4ri\u00e4 ruumiita. Niiden perusteella voidaan arvioida, ett\u00e4 kuolleiden m\u00e4\u00e4r\u00e4 on suurempi, kuin mit\u00e4 on ilmoitettu.  <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Mutta se on hyvin vaikeaa sanoa ihan sataprosenttisesti.<\/p>\n\n<p>Johansson pit\u00e4\u00e4 lukuihin keskittymist\u00e4 ja kuolleiden m\u00e4\u00e4r\u00e4n listaamista sivupoluille menemisen\u00e4. H\u00e4n sanoo, ett\u00e4 on ihan selv\u00e4\u00e4, ett\u00e4 se mit\u00e4 on tapahtunut, on ollut kammottavan v\u00e4\u00e4rin. Vallankumouskaarti on teloittanut ihmisi\u00e4 ilman mink\u00e4\u00e4nlaisia tuomioita, ammuttuja ihmisi\u00e4 on viety sairaalasta vankiloihin kauheisiin oloihin ja heit\u00e4 on todenn\u00e4k\u00f6isesti kidutettu. Johanssonin mukaan sill\u00e4, kuinka monta tuhatta heit\u00e4 on, ei ole merkityst\u00e4, vaan sill\u00e4, ett\u00e4 se on v\u00e4\u00e4rin.   <\/p>\n\n<p>&#8211; Baran on ihan oikeassa siin\u00e4, ett\u00e4 kun joskus historiaa kirjoitetaan t\u00e4st\u00e4 ja t\u00e4m\u00e4 konflikti toivottavasti on loppu, niin sen j\u00e4lkeen me saadaan enemm\u00e4n tietoa siit\u00e4, ett\u00e4 mit\u00e4 itse asiassa tapahtui. Sitten me voidaan saada niit\u00e4 lukuja.<\/p>\n\n<p><strong>\u00bfMiten Iranin kansa voisi nyt reagoida tilanteeseen? \u00bfVoiko maan nykyhallintoa pit\u00e4\u00e4 laillisena toimijana? Kuuntele koko Viikon debatti uusintana Radio Deist\u00e4 lauantaina 14.3. klo 11 tai vaikka heti <a href=\"https:\/\/deiplus.fi\/debatti\/2026-debatti\/iranin-kansa-52026\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Dei Plus -palvelusta<\/a>.   <\/strong><\/p>\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/elamalehti.fi\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n<p><em>Publicado originalmente en: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.seurakuntalainen.fi\/uutiset\/viikon-debatti-vaihtuuko-valta-iranissa-amerikan-ja-israelin-tuella\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Seurakuntalainen<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>En el programa &#8220;Debate de la semana&#8221; de Radio Dei, de Finlandia, Mari Turunen habl\u00f3 sobre la situaci\u00f3n en Ir\u00e1n con el director ejecutivo de Amnist\u00eda Internacional, Frank Johansson, y con el activista finland\u00e9s-iran\u00ed (y consejero de Transform Iran) Baran Alizadeh.  <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":36772,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"give_campaign_id":0,"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_mi_skip_tracking":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[161],"tags":[174,165,152],"class_list":["post-36779","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-redaccion","tag-crisis-humanitaria-2","tag-gobierno","tag-iran-es"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Debate en directo: \u00bfQu\u00e9 le parece Ir\u00e1n a Estados Unidos e Israel? 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